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Adam J said,
August 26, 2006 at 1:12 pm
Hey man, I like the new blog address/design, it’s good stuff.
AJ said,
August 29, 2006 at 1:43 am
I was following McKnight’s review as well. Seemed like he was unwilling to be overly negative until he realized that Burke’s take on God is nontrinitarian and nonpersonal. If I’m not mistaken, I think that was installment 4 of the review…when I think about it, it’s remarkable that Burke was able to keep his “heretical” views under the radar that long.
spencer burke said,
August 29, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Sorry I have just got around to posting this now. It has been pretty busy out in the Bloggosphere… I hope the context from Scots blog sheds some light on your question. Below are comments from instalment #4 on JesusCreed. There or over 100 comments so you can read the rest when you get a chance. One of the values of blogging with comments is the give and take on the initial post. Scot was very gracious and I think the dialogue modeled one of the ways we can have interaction, hold our beliefs and be graceful, kind and loving. BTW: I have had great contact with Scot offline as well…
YOU SAY -
“Burke’s take on God is nontrinitarian and nonpersonal. If I’m not mistaken, I think that was installment 4 of the review”
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I SAID - (http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=1319#comments)
May a say up front I do not deny the Trinity as you quoted from the book above “Instead, he is a panentheist — which means that “God is ‘in all,’ alongside my creedal view of God as Father, Son, and Spirit” (195).”
When Father is used in scripture and prayer, etc. I see God much in the same way as you would - personal, with the best characteristics of a father, Son the same - as a son of the father and the incarnational image of God here on earth as God in Flesh and Holy Spirit as personally guiding me, comforting me and leading / convicting me in truth. I assume this would fit (at least loosely) in your “creedal” view of the Trinity. May I add this is a very dear part of my belief and I thought stating “along side my creedal view” would make that clear.
The context for the subsection of the book focuses not on a denial of the Trinity but the question of how do we deal with the passages where God is not identified with one of these personal roles (Father, Son or Holy Spirit) but only as God. Do you equate God as Father, as the default? That is the way I used to think of God, but now I see the potential of both a Trinitarian creed along with a panentheist view. What if when scripture refers to God as “God” we begin to see God not as anyone of the three but wholly and completely all three and other. I don’t believe there are 4 persons to the trinity but I do see 4 ways of looking at the person and work of God - Father, Son, Holy Spirit AND God.
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MARK SAID -
Scot,
How can you conclude that Spencer doesn’t believe God is a person based on the quote you provided? The words “exclusively” and “more than” don’t exclude personhood, they just qualify it relative to other characteristics of God.
I have not read the book, so maybe he is more direct elsewhere, I just took what you quoted differently.
Comment by MarkE — August 8, 2006
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ALAN SAID -
As far as the specific concerns you laid out here, I wonder if some of it, as you have intimated, may be a matter of semantics with Spencer, e.g., the “universalism - inclusivism” thing. Also the “personhood” of God thing. Scripture even says the God is Spirit, but is He not also an ultimately personal being, BEING?
Comment by + Alan — August 8, 2006
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I hope we will engage each other and listen not only to the words but also the heart of the person we disagree with. In the end I believe we will be strong for our dialogue.