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March 15, 2004
Anna's Notes From Our Workshop Last Friday
Two heresies, two metaphors, and a gardener
Spencer Burke—Seminar—Friday March 12, 2004—7:00-9:00
Metaphors of Emergence or as I renamed it: two heresies, two metaphors, and a gardener
Anna italicized her thoughts, so if you read this and thought, hey, Spencer wouldn't say that, then look again because it was probably her response...
Learning: moving from teacher to facilitator. If learning is our desired outcome in our churches, then teaching is a part of it. In the next movement of where we’re going, then it will be more culturally appropriate. Teachers are a dime a dozen in an information age. What we need are information gatekeepers. To unpackage this, you move beyond the teacher as leader, and you move to a place of teachers a teacher. Instead of that, or to deconstruct this, you move to a place where you want a facilitator to help us learn. That person is helping you to learn. They are facilitating the ability for you to learn.
Excellence in a postmodern world is defined as a sense of authenticity. Excellence is being who you are and bringing all of who you are to what it is—not the performance of perfection.
This totally explains the phenomenon of William Huang. This dude is totally dorky, can’t sing, certainly can’t dance, but when he auditioned on American Idol and Simon told him he was terrible, he said something to the effect of “I have no professional training. I did my best. I have no regrets.” In a forum where most of the people ridiculed on American Idol argue and rant at the judges for not seeing how talented they are or being completely crushed by their sharp censure, he merely shrugged it off because it had no baring on him as a person. What happened? He gained a cult following complete with unsolicited fan websites and t-shirts popping up all over. This earned him a record deal. Can he suddenly sing? No. Did he learn how to dance? Did they give him a makeover? No, he’s not anything that anyone would think is cool, and yet he’s got all these fans. Why? Because he’s real.
Tour guide or fellow traveler? How are you running your church? Tour guides and fellow travelers exist in both the postmodern and the modern world. You can have postmodern tour guides.
Here’s a heresy that Spencer thinks he believes. He’s been playing with the idea of him as shepherd. He’s not sure we’re ever called as human beings to be shepherds. Peter was called to feed sheep. Have you ever seen a shepherd feed sheep? Who feeds the sheep? The mother sheep feed sheep. How did we become shepherds from that? There’s only one Good Shepherd and that’s Jesus Christ. There is no missing link between God and us; we don’t deserve the promotion to God. Does that mean we can’t be parent sheep? That we don’t know where the cool water is? No, but we are sheep following the Shepherd, and not shepherds. Yes, it may be a heresy, but it takes away the leap to spiritual expert that we often think of a pastor.
Two heresies, two metaphors, and a gardener
Spencer Burke—Seminar—Friday March 12, 2004—7:00-9:00
Metaphors of Emergence or as I renamed it: two heresies, two metaphors, and a gardener
Anna italicized her thoughts, so if you read this and thought, hey, Spencer wouldn't say that, then look again because it was probably her response...
Learning: moving from teacher to facilitator. If learning is our desired outcome in our churches, then teaching is a part of it. In the next movement of where we’re going, then it will be more culturally appropriate. Teachers are a dime a dozen in an information age. What we need are information gatekeepers. To unpackage this, you move beyond the teacher as leader, and you move to a place of teachers a teacher. Instead of that, or to deconstruct this, you move to a place where you want a facilitator to help us learn. That person is helping you to learn. They are facilitating the ability for you to learn.
Excellence in a postmodern world is defined as a sense of authenticity. Excellence is being who you are and bringing all of who you are to what it is—not the performance of perfection.
This totally explains the phenomenon of William Huang. This dude is totally dorky, can’t sing, certainly can’t dance, but when he auditioned on American Idol and Simon told him he was terrible, he said something to the effect of “I have no professional training. I did my best. I have no regrets.” In a forum where most of the people ridiculed on American Idol argue and rant at the judges for not seeing how talented they are or being completely crushed by their sharp censure, he merely shrugged it off because it had no baring on him as a person. What happened? He gained a cult following complete with unsolicited fan websites and t-shirts popping up all over. This earned him a record deal. Can he suddenly sing? No. Did he learn how to dance? Did they give him a makeover? No, he’s not anything that anyone would think is cool, and yet he’s got all these fans. Why? Because he’s real.
Tour guide or fellow traveler? How are you running your church? Tour guides and fellow travelers exist in both the postmodern and the modern world. You can have postmodern tour guides.
Here’s a heresy that Spencer thinks he believes. He’s been playing with the idea of him as shepherd. He’s not sure we’re ever called as human beings to be shepherds. Peter was called to feed sheep. Have you ever seen a shepherd feed sheep? Who feeds the sheep? The mother sheep feed sheep. How did we become shepherds from that? There’s only one Good Shepherd and that’s Jesus Christ. There is no missing link between God and us; we don’t deserve the promotion to God. Does that mean we can’t be parent sheep? That we don’t know where the cool water is? No, but we are sheep following the Shepherd, and not shepherds. Yes, it may be a heresy, but it takes away the leap to spiritual expert that we often think of a pastor.
Evangelism. We’ve got a warrior model and a gardener model. Warriors have targets. Gardens are process oriented. He thinks both are biblical. However, he doesn’t think the warrior model will fly. Here’s the heresy. If it’s a gardener model, then the seeds are already there. Everyone has them. Some seeds die. He’s a universalist that believes in hell. He bets that everyone is a universalist. Look at it this way. A member of your congregation has a child and the child dies. What will you say to them about the eternal destiny of that child. Here’s the fascinating thing. At some point, we get away from them. However, it depends on your particular dogma. Our traditions have different ages of accountability. Or what do we do with someone who is mentally handicapped. Basically, this doctrine says that people are in, and at some point they opt out, and we want them to opt back in. Spencer thinks we’re all in, but some of us reject God and hence, opt out. He gets this idea from the parable of the wheat and the tares. It’s not our job to decide who’s in or out, but to just tend the garden. Jesus will decide all of that at the end. It’s not the church’s job to get anyone in. It the church’s to keep them in. If we look at it like that, then we see Jesus in everyone we minister to and try to show his love to everyone regardless of who they are. Salvation, or accepting Jesus, would be when the seed sprouts. Some people can remember when that happened, some people don’t remember, but they know they’ve got leaves. What happens to the seed is really up to each individual. Our job is to do the work of a gardener.
So, from what I understand of what he’s saying, he’s not actually a universalist, he either is purposefully using the term to see if we’re awake, or he’s redefining it from where I am accustomed to understand it. I think his metaphors fit the models of evangelism in Peace’s understanding of revelatory experiences and slow dawning understanding. Peace, Richard V. Conversion in the New Testament. Grand Rapids: MI, 1999. In my understanding of Peace’s work, the main difference is that the seeds are sown by us rather then the seeds already being there. Plus, in his discussion of the great commission (that I didn’t get a chance to type all of), he pointed out that we emphasize the great commission so much but it is only the end of one Gospel out of four. And I’m thinking, the great commission doesn’t say go make converts, it says go make disciples. And disciples aren’t made at the point of a sword.
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Cool. I look forward to continued conversations as well.
Posted by: Anna | March 15, 2004 12:18 PM


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